Is “start” used with “fire” as a transitive or an intransitive verb?
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Should I say The fire is reported to have started by accident. or The fire is reported to have been started by accident.
P.S:Someone told me to use the former because "by accident" implies that no one really started the fire,but I am not sure if she is trustworthy.
grammar transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs
asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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Should I say The fire is reported to have started by accident. or The fire is reported to have been started by accident.
P.S:Someone told me to use the former because "by accident" implies that no one really started the fire,but I am not sure if she is trustworthy.
grammar transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs
asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42
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Should I say The fire is reported to have started by accident. or The fire is reported to have been started by accident.
P.S:Someone told me to use the former because "by accident" implies that no one really started the fire,but I am not sure if she is trustworthy.
grammar transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs
asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
Abdelrahman EltaherAbdelrahman Eltaher
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Should I say The fire is reported to have started by accident. or The fire is reported to have been started by accident.
P.S:Someone told me to use the former because "by accident" implies that no one really started the fire,but I am not sure if she is trustworthy.
grammar transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs
grammar transitive-verbs intransitive-verbs
asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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asked Nov 21 '18 at 9:58
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"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42
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"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42
"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42
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If a fire was started, someone did something, deliberately or accidentally, to set it going.
If a fire started, something became hot enough to begin to burn. Maybe it was someone's fault that the conditions were right for this to happen, but the fire wasn't the immediate result of anyone's action.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
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Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
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I think the term you have to focus on is “by accident” rather than “started”.
By accident:
by chance, without being planned or intended.
- The pilot, whether by accident or design (=whether it was planned or not planned), made the plane do a sharp turn.
In both sentences the fire appears to have been caused unintentionally.
(Longman Dictionary)
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
26.9k1075160
That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
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Not commenting on anyone's trustworthiness but the verb start can be either transitive or intransitive in this case.
Note that the two versions do not mean the same, and by accident is irrelevant here.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
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OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
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If a fire was started, someone did something, deliberately or accidentally, to set it going.
If a fire started, something became hot enough to begin to burn. Maybe it was someone's fault that the conditions were right for this to happen, but the fire wasn't the immediate result of anyone's action.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
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Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
add a comment |
If a fire was started, someone did something, deliberately or accidentally, to set it going.
If a fire started, something became hot enough to begin to burn. Maybe it was someone's fault that the conditions were right for this to happen, but the fire wasn't the immediate result of anyone's action.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
6,70131518
Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
add a comment |
If a fire was started, someone did something, deliberately or accidentally, to set it going.
If a fire started, something became hot enough to begin to burn. Maybe it was someone's fault that the conditions were right for this to happen, but the fire wasn't the immediate result of anyone's action.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
6,70131518
If a fire was started, someone did something, deliberately or accidentally, to set it going.
If a fire started, something became hot enough to begin to burn. Maybe it was someone's fault that the conditions were right for this to happen, but the fire wasn't the immediate result of anyone's action.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
6,70131518
answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
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answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
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answered Nov 21 '18 at 13:39
Kate BuntingKate Bunting
6,70131518
6,70131518
Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
add a comment |
Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
Thanks,but the problem is that it was in an exam and I had to choose between both sentences so I am asking which sentence is correct rather the meaning of each one.I hope you help me with this.
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 18:14
1
1
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
I can't see that either sentence is grammatically incorrect. Either could make sense, as I explained.
– Kate Bunting
Nov 21 '18 at 21:28
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
No. "The fire started following a matchstick being thrown at it." could have been the full sentence, who knows?
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:38
add a comment |
I think the term you have to focus on is “by accident” rather than “started”.
By accident:
by chance, without being planned or intended.
- The pilot, whether by accident or design (=whether it was planned or not planned), made the plane do a sharp turn.
In both sentences the fire appears to have been caused unintentionally.
(Longman Dictionary)
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
26.9k1075160
That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
add a comment |
I think the term you have to focus on is “by accident” rather than “started”.
By accident:
by chance, without being planned or intended.
- The pilot, whether by accident or design (=whether it was planned or not planned), made the plane do a sharp turn.
In both sentences the fire appears to have been caused unintentionally.
(Longman Dictionary)
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
26.9k1075160
That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
add a comment |
I think the term you have to focus on is “by accident” rather than “started”.
By accident:
by chance, without being planned or intended.
- The pilot, whether by accident or design (=whether it was planned or not planned), made the plane do a sharp turn.
In both sentences the fire appears to have been caused unintentionally.
(Longman Dictionary)
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
26.9k1075160
I think the term you have to focus on is “by accident” rather than “started”.
By accident:
by chance, without being planned or intended.
- The pilot, whether by accident or design (=whether it was planned or not planned), made the plane do a sharp turn.
In both sentences the fire appears to have been caused unintentionally.
(Longman Dictionary)
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
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answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
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answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
user240918user240918
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answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:40
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That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
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That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
That doesn't answer the question, though.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
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Not commenting on anyone's trustworthiness but the verb start can be either transitive or intransitive in this case.
Note that the two versions do not mean the same, and by accident is irrelevant here.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
Not commenting on anyone's trustworthiness but the verb start can be either transitive or intransitive in this case.
Note that the two versions do not mean the same, and by accident is irrelevant here.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
Not commenting on anyone's trustworthiness but the verb start can be either transitive or intransitive in this case.
Note that the two versions do not mean the same, and by accident is irrelevant here.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
Not commenting on anyone's trustworthiness but the verb start can be either transitive or intransitive in this case.
Note that the two versions do not mean the same, and by accident is irrelevant here.
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
answered Nov 21 '18 at 10:52
KrisKris
33k641124
33k641124
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
add a comment |
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
OP is asking about the meaning of the sentences. By accident is the core of the issue here.
– user240918
Nov 21 '18 at 10:59
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
My answer tries to explain why it is not.
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 11:17
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
@Kris Could you explain the difference between both sentences?
– Abdelrahman Eltaher
Nov 21 '18 at 11:20
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
Wouldn't you say that "The fire is reported to have been started" (omitting the 'by accident') implies that it was started deliberately by a human?
– Floris SA
Nov 21 '18 at 14:00
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
@FlorisSA No way. There's nothing to suggest "deliberate" or "accidental" -- it's silent on that aspect.
– Kris
Nov 22 '18 at 6:36
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"I accidentally set fire to the leaves while raking them."
– Kris
Nov 21 '18 at 10:55
Road Traffic Accidents (RTAs) are no longer referred to, as such. They are now Road Traffic Collisions (RTCs). The thinking is that nothing is, really, an 'accident'. Someone did something. And someone is culpable.
– Nigel J
Nov 21 '18 at 11:42
In the second sentence, by accident is acting as the 'by + agent' in a passive voice sentence, or at least it can create such an ambiguity! Start is an intransitive verb too, and 'to have started' seems more natural.
– mahmud koya
Nov 21 '18 at 12:42