What would be the word equivalent of paperwork in the digital age?
The classic definition for paperwork says
Routine work involving written
documents such as forms, records, or
letters.
Now, given that we are in the digital age and computers have taken many tedious tasks away, we still have to cope with clutter... What would be the equivalent word for
Routine work involving electronic
documents such as forms, spreadsheets, or
emails.
The equivalent will be used in the context of phrases like
- Spare me the paperwork
- Take the clutter away
p.s. It seems that Woody Allen is still using a typewriter.
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The classic definition for paperwork says
Routine work involving written
documents such as forms, records, or
letters.
Now, given that we are in the digital age and computers have taken many tedious tasks away, we still have to cope with clutter... What would be the equivalent word for
Routine work involving electronic
documents such as forms, spreadsheets, or
emails.
The equivalent will be used in the context of phrases like
- Spare me the paperwork
- Take the clutter away
p.s. It seems that Woody Allen is still using a typewriter.
meaning word-choice technology
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Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
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The classic definition for paperwork says
Routine work involving written
documents such as forms, records, or
letters.
Now, given that we are in the digital age and computers have taken many tedious tasks away, we still have to cope with clutter... What would be the equivalent word for
Routine work involving electronic
documents such as forms, spreadsheets, or
emails.
The equivalent will be used in the context of phrases like
- Spare me the paperwork
- Take the clutter away
p.s. It seems that Woody Allen is still using a typewriter.
meaning word-choice technology
The classic definition for paperwork says
Routine work involving written
documents such as forms, records, or
letters.
Now, given that we are in the digital age and computers have taken many tedious tasks away, we still have to cope with clutter... What would be the equivalent word for
Routine work involving electronic
documents such as forms, spreadsheets, or
emails.
The equivalent will be used in the context of phrases like
- Spare me the paperwork
- Take the clutter away
p.s. It seems that Woody Allen is still using a typewriter.
meaning word-choice technology
meaning word-choice technology
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Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
– Matt E. Эллен♦
Jul 10 '11 at 12:31
Note to answerers: Please note that ELU does not solicit neologisms. If there are now words actually in use, six years after this question was first asked, then please write a new answer, citing evidence. If you are simply making a clever suggestion, your answer may be removed.
– Andrew Leach♦
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Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
– Matt E. Эллен♦
Jul 10 '11 at 12:31
Note to answerers: Please note that ELU does not solicit neologisms. If there are now words actually in use, six years after this question was first asked, then please write a new answer, citing evidence. If you are simply making a clever suggestion, your answer may be removed.
– Andrew Leach♦
Jan 22 '18 at 7:46
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Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
– Matt E. Эллен♦
Jul 10 '11 at 12:31
Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
– Matt E. Эллен♦
Jul 10 '11 at 12:31
Note to answerers: Please note that ELU does not solicit neologisms. If there are now words actually in use, six years after this question was first asked, then please write a new answer, citing evidence. If you are simply making a clever suggestion, your answer may be removed.
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For the time being, I would stick with "paperwork."
Notice that in a modern automobile, you still "roll up the windows." You still "dial a phone." Often, we retain words and phrases that would seem to be obsolete, because language generally changes more slowly than technology does.
However, in this specific case, 'paper' seems unnecessary - you could just say "I have a lot of work," or "please don't send me more work." The 'paper' bit is kind of superfluous.
8
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
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Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
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This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
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However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
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@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
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I've heard (and used) administrivia (a portmanteau of administrative and trivia) to indicate the additional unimportant but still necessary stuff that has to be done.
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In my work (as an Engineer) the final step is 'document everything'. This may be actual paperwork, but it often consists of electronic documents.
I'm sure if I called it 'paperwork', my colleagues would understand what I meant.
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I'm not able to find anything that works nearly so well as "administrivia." The problem with all the other suggestions such as "paperwork," "deskwork," or "clutter," is that they don't convey the additional tone of tediousness and menial, and yet, necessary quality often intended with the word "administrivia." "Administrivia" is unique in that it embodies all these adjectives at once better than any other single word, yet it is not precise enough to fit modern life. Its composites, "admin" and "trivia" have the connotation of trite, but not the consequentiality it needs. We need a word that more precisely conveys the intense combination of drudgery and urgency one continuously encounters in modern life.
add a comment |
The term "bureaucracy" may be used in the sense of "excessively complicated administrative procedure" (according to the OED), such as filling out forms, writing useless reports etc. It has a pejorative connotation and is slightly more general than "paperwork", though.
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deskwork
works for paper or electronic .
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In March, we have endless keying in to do before we can eFile the eReturns.
It is also what takes the fun out of vacation planning.
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Digiwork -Has the sound of unimportant but still necessary, with a whiff of drudgery. It sounds modern and is quickly and easily said. Administrivia has 6 syllables, FGS! I can hear Tim Allen giving digiwork 15 inflections with 15 discernable shades of meaning. MSP
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I use "digital paperwork" shortened to DP, of course . Seems to say it all.
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For the time being, I would stick with "paperwork."
Notice that in a modern automobile, you still "roll up the windows." You still "dial a phone." Often, we retain words and phrases that would seem to be obsolete, because language generally changes more slowly than technology does.
However, in this specific case, 'paper' seems unnecessary - you could just say "I have a lot of work," or "please don't send me more work." The 'paper' bit is kind of superfluous.
8
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
2
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
1
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
7
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
1
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
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show 4 more comments
For the time being, I would stick with "paperwork."
Notice that in a modern automobile, you still "roll up the windows." You still "dial a phone." Often, we retain words and phrases that would seem to be obsolete, because language generally changes more slowly than technology does.
However, in this specific case, 'paper' seems unnecessary - you could just say "I have a lot of work," or "please don't send me more work." The 'paper' bit is kind of superfluous.
8
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
2
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
1
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
7
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
1
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
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For the time being, I would stick with "paperwork."
Notice that in a modern automobile, you still "roll up the windows." You still "dial a phone." Often, we retain words and phrases that would seem to be obsolete, because language generally changes more slowly than technology does.
However, in this specific case, 'paper' seems unnecessary - you could just say "I have a lot of work," or "please don't send me more work." The 'paper' bit is kind of superfluous.
For the time being, I would stick with "paperwork."
Notice that in a modern automobile, you still "roll up the windows." You still "dial a phone." Often, we retain words and phrases that would seem to be obsolete, because language generally changes more slowly than technology does.
However, in this specific case, 'paper' seems unnecessary - you could just say "I have a lot of work," or "please don't send me more work." The 'paper' bit is kind of superfluous.
answered Jul 10 '11 at 13:01
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If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
2
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
1
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
7
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
1
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
|
show 4 more comments
8
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
2
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
1
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
7
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
1
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
8
8
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
If I miss a line while watching a DVD, I rewind it a bit.
– Callithumpian
Jul 10 '11 at 13:48
2
2
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
Precisely. Also, the "paste" in "copy and paste" seems of a like kind.
– The Raven
Jul 10 '11 at 14:12
1
1
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
This is a really interesting answer.
– Alan
Jul 10 '11 at 14:15
7
7
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
However, 'paperwork' has a somewhat different connotation than just plain old 'work'. From Merriam-Webster (emphasis mine): "routine clerical or record-keeping work often incidental to a more important task". So I don't think using 'work' instead is the right thing to do. I think your first suggestion of just continuing to use 'paperwork' is better.
– Michael Burr
Jul 10 '11 at 22:58
1
1
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
@MichaelBurr Yes, the first bit of this answer is really good, paperwork is the boring, tedious, repetitive, administrative stuff. Plain old work is the stuff that paperwork gets in the way of.
– Hugo
Sep 23 '11 at 20:27
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I've heard (and used) administrivia (a portmanteau of administrative and trivia) to indicate the additional unimportant but still necessary stuff that has to be done.
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I've heard (and used) administrivia (a portmanteau of administrative and trivia) to indicate the additional unimportant but still necessary stuff that has to be done.
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I've heard (and used) administrivia (a portmanteau of administrative and trivia) to indicate the additional unimportant but still necessary stuff that has to be done.
I've heard (and used) administrivia (a portmanteau of administrative and trivia) to indicate the additional unimportant but still necessary stuff that has to be done.
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In my work (as an Engineer) the final step is 'document everything'. This may be actual paperwork, but it often consists of electronic documents.
I'm sure if I called it 'paperwork', my colleagues would understand what I meant.
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In my work (as an Engineer) the final step is 'document everything'. This may be actual paperwork, but it often consists of electronic documents.
I'm sure if I called it 'paperwork', my colleagues would understand what I meant.
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In my work (as an Engineer) the final step is 'document everything'. This may be actual paperwork, but it often consists of electronic documents.
I'm sure if I called it 'paperwork', my colleagues would understand what I meant.
In my work (as an Engineer) the final step is 'document everything'. This may be actual paperwork, but it often consists of electronic documents.
I'm sure if I called it 'paperwork', my colleagues would understand what I meant.
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I'm not able to find anything that works nearly so well as "administrivia." The problem with all the other suggestions such as "paperwork," "deskwork," or "clutter," is that they don't convey the additional tone of tediousness and menial, and yet, necessary quality often intended with the word "administrivia." "Administrivia" is unique in that it embodies all these adjectives at once better than any other single word, yet it is not precise enough to fit modern life. Its composites, "admin" and "trivia" have the connotation of trite, but not the consequentiality it needs. We need a word that more precisely conveys the intense combination of drudgery and urgency one continuously encounters in modern life.
add a comment |
I'm not able to find anything that works nearly so well as "administrivia." The problem with all the other suggestions such as "paperwork," "deskwork," or "clutter," is that they don't convey the additional tone of tediousness and menial, and yet, necessary quality often intended with the word "administrivia." "Administrivia" is unique in that it embodies all these adjectives at once better than any other single word, yet it is not precise enough to fit modern life. Its composites, "admin" and "trivia" have the connotation of trite, but not the consequentiality it needs. We need a word that more precisely conveys the intense combination of drudgery and urgency one continuously encounters in modern life.
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I'm not able to find anything that works nearly so well as "administrivia." The problem with all the other suggestions such as "paperwork," "deskwork," or "clutter," is that they don't convey the additional tone of tediousness and menial, and yet, necessary quality often intended with the word "administrivia." "Administrivia" is unique in that it embodies all these adjectives at once better than any other single word, yet it is not precise enough to fit modern life. Its composites, "admin" and "trivia" have the connotation of trite, but not the consequentiality it needs. We need a word that more precisely conveys the intense combination of drudgery and urgency one continuously encounters in modern life.
I'm not able to find anything that works nearly so well as "administrivia." The problem with all the other suggestions such as "paperwork," "deskwork," or "clutter," is that they don't convey the additional tone of tediousness and menial, and yet, necessary quality often intended with the word "administrivia." "Administrivia" is unique in that it embodies all these adjectives at once better than any other single word, yet it is not precise enough to fit modern life. Its composites, "admin" and "trivia" have the connotation of trite, but not the consequentiality it needs. We need a word that more precisely conveys the intense combination of drudgery and urgency one continuously encounters in modern life.
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The term "bureaucracy" may be used in the sense of "excessively complicated administrative procedure" (according to the OED), such as filling out forms, writing useless reports etc. It has a pejorative connotation and is slightly more general than "paperwork", though.
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The term "bureaucracy" may be used in the sense of "excessively complicated administrative procedure" (according to the OED), such as filling out forms, writing useless reports etc. It has a pejorative connotation and is slightly more general than "paperwork", though.
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The term "bureaucracy" may be used in the sense of "excessively complicated administrative procedure" (according to the OED), such as filling out forms, writing useless reports etc. It has a pejorative connotation and is slightly more general than "paperwork", though.
The term "bureaucracy" may be used in the sense of "excessively complicated administrative procedure" (according to the OED), such as filling out forms, writing useless reports etc. It has a pejorative connotation and is slightly more general than "paperwork", though.
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deskwork
works for paper or electronic .
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deskwork
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deskwork
works for paper or electronic .
deskwork
works for paper or electronic .
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In March, we have endless keying in to do before we can eFile the eReturns.
It is also what takes the fun out of vacation planning.
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In March, we have endless keying in to do before we can eFile the eReturns.
It is also what takes the fun out of vacation planning.
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In March, we have endless keying in to do before we can eFile the eReturns.
It is also what takes the fun out of vacation planning.
In March, we have endless keying in to do before we can eFile the eReturns.
It is also what takes the fun out of vacation planning.
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Digiwork -Has the sound of unimportant but still necessary, with a whiff of drudgery. It sounds modern and is quickly and easily said. Administrivia has 6 syllables, FGS! I can hear Tim Allen giving digiwork 15 inflections with 15 discernable shades of meaning. MSP
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Digiwork -Has the sound of unimportant but still necessary, with a whiff of drudgery. It sounds modern and is quickly and easily said. Administrivia has 6 syllables, FGS! I can hear Tim Allen giving digiwork 15 inflections with 15 discernable shades of meaning. MSP
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Digiwork -Has the sound of unimportant but still necessary, with a whiff of drudgery. It sounds modern and is quickly and easily said. Administrivia has 6 syllables, FGS! I can hear Tim Allen giving digiwork 15 inflections with 15 discernable shades of meaning. MSP
Digiwork -Has the sound of unimportant but still necessary, with a whiff of drudgery. It sounds modern and is quickly and easily said. Administrivia has 6 syllables, FGS! I can hear Tim Allen giving digiwork 15 inflections with 15 discernable shades of meaning. MSP
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I use "digital paperwork" shortened to DP, of course . Seems to say it all.
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I use "digital paperwork" shortened to DP, of course . Seems to say it all.
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Just do what they did in the 1990s: stick an 'e' on the front! Spare me the e-paperwork. Job done.
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