Can 'whom' be used in this context?
I would like to know if whom can be used in this sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority
medical students and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply to
plastic surgery.
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I would like to know if whom can be used in this sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority
medical students and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply to
plastic surgery.
word-usage context
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No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
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What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
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I would like to know if whom can be used in this sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority
medical students and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply to
plastic surgery.
word-usage context
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I would like to know if whom can be used in this sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority
medical students and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply to
plastic surgery.
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No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
3 hours ago
What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
3 hours ago
What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
3 hours ago
No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
3 hours ago
What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
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Your sentence does not make sense. For the word "whom" to be used correctly, the word "and" should not be there. But if we remove the "and", the sentence is still wrong:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students, a disproportionate percentage of whom apply to plastic surgery. ❌
The part after the comma is now providing non-essential information and can be dropped, and you're left with an incomplete sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students ... [and what?]
Many people seem to be under the impression that "whom" is just a universal way to refer to a person mentioned earlier in the sentence. This is not the case. Here is a site that summarizes the usage of "of whom" and "of which": https://www.grammarbank.com/whose-of-which-of-whom.html. I'm sure there are many others.
You can remove the misused "whom" from your sentence and rewrite it correctly as:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students and the disproportionate percentage of them who apply to plastic surgery.
The problem now is with the meaning. How can you have a "discrepancy" between one group and another?
I would rewrite your sentence as:
I commend the authors for discussing the disproportionate percentage of minority medical students who wish to specialize in plastic surgery.
I have changed "apply to", which is misused in your original sentence. (Medical students may colloquially say "I applied to plastic surgery", but this is short for something like "I applied for admission into the plastic surgery department".) I still don't like the verb "discuss". It would be better to explain what specifically the authors did that was so commendable; e.g, "drawing attention to", "studying".
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I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
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Your sentence does not make sense. For the word "whom" to be used correctly, the word "and" should not be there. But if we remove the "and", the sentence is still wrong:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students, a disproportionate percentage of whom apply to plastic surgery. ❌
The part after the comma is now providing non-essential information and can be dropped, and you're left with an incomplete sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students ... [and what?]
Many people seem to be under the impression that "whom" is just a universal way to refer to a person mentioned earlier in the sentence. This is not the case. Here is a site that summarizes the usage of "of whom" and "of which": https://www.grammarbank.com/whose-of-which-of-whom.html. I'm sure there are many others.
You can remove the misused "whom" from your sentence and rewrite it correctly as:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students and the disproportionate percentage of them who apply to plastic surgery.
The problem now is with the meaning. How can you have a "discrepancy" between one group and another?
I would rewrite your sentence as:
I commend the authors for discussing the disproportionate percentage of minority medical students who wish to specialize in plastic surgery.
I have changed "apply to", which is misused in your original sentence. (Medical students may colloquially say "I applied to plastic surgery", but this is short for something like "I applied for admission into the plastic surgery department".) I still don't like the verb "discuss". It would be better to explain what specifically the authors did that was so commendable; e.g, "drawing attention to", "studying".
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I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
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Your sentence does not make sense. For the word "whom" to be used correctly, the word "and" should not be there. But if we remove the "and", the sentence is still wrong:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students, a disproportionate percentage of whom apply to plastic surgery. ❌
The part after the comma is now providing non-essential information and can be dropped, and you're left with an incomplete sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students ... [and what?]
Many people seem to be under the impression that "whom" is just a universal way to refer to a person mentioned earlier in the sentence. This is not the case. Here is a site that summarizes the usage of "of whom" and "of which": https://www.grammarbank.com/whose-of-which-of-whom.html. I'm sure there are many others.
You can remove the misused "whom" from your sentence and rewrite it correctly as:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students and the disproportionate percentage of them who apply to plastic surgery.
The problem now is with the meaning. How can you have a "discrepancy" between one group and another?
I would rewrite your sentence as:
I commend the authors for discussing the disproportionate percentage of minority medical students who wish to specialize in plastic surgery.
I have changed "apply to", which is misused in your original sentence. (Medical students may colloquially say "I applied to plastic surgery", but this is short for something like "I applied for admission into the plastic surgery department".) I still don't like the verb "discuss". It would be better to explain what specifically the authors did that was so commendable; e.g, "drawing attention to", "studying".
answered 3 hours ago
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I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
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Your sentence does not make sense. For the word "whom" to be used correctly, the word "and" should not be there. But if we remove the "and", the sentence is still wrong:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students, a disproportionate percentage of whom apply to plastic surgery. ❌
The part after the comma is now providing non-essential information and can be dropped, and you're left with an incomplete sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students ... [and what?]
Many people seem to be under the impression that "whom" is just a universal way to refer to a person mentioned earlier in the sentence. This is not the case. Here is a site that summarizes the usage of "of whom" and "of which": https://www.grammarbank.com/whose-of-which-of-whom.html. I'm sure there are many others.
You can remove the misused "whom" from your sentence and rewrite it correctly as:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students and the disproportionate percentage of them who apply to plastic surgery.
The problem now is with the meaning. How can you have a "discrepancy" between one group and another?
I would rewrite your sentence as:
I commend the authors for discussing the disproportionate percentage of minority medical students who wish to specialize in plastic surgery.
I have changed "apply to", which is misused in your original sentence. (Medical students may colloquially say "I applied to plastic surgery", but this is short for something like "I applied for admission into the plastic surgery department".) I still don't like the verb "discuss". It would be better to explain what specifically the authors did that was so commendable; e.g, "drawing attention to", "studying".
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Your sentence does not make sense. For the word "whom" to be used correctly, the word "and" should not be there. But if we remove the "and", the sentence is still wrong:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students, a disproportionate percentage of whom apply to plastic surgery. ❌
The part after the comma is now providing non-essential information and can be dropped, and you're left with an incomplete sentence:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students ... [and what?]
Many people seem to be under the impression that "whom" is just a universal way to refer to a person mentioned earlier in the sentence. This is not the case. Here is a site that summarizes the usage of "of whom" and "of which": https://www.grammarbank.com/whose-of-which-of-whom.html. I'm sure there are many others.
You can remove the misused "whom" from your sentence and rewrite it correctly as:
I commend the authors for discussing the discrepancy between minority medical students and the disproportionate percentage of them who apply to plastic surgery.
The problem now is with the meaning. How can you have a "discrepancy" between one group and another?
I would rewrite your sentence as:
I commend the authors for discussing the disproportionate percentage of minority medical students who wish to specialize in plastic surgery.
I have changed "apply to", which is misused in your original sentence. (Medical students may colloquially say "I applied to plastic surgery", but this is short for something like "I applied for admission into the plastic surgery department".) I still don't like the verb "discuss". It would be better to explain what specifically the authors did that was so commendable; e.g, "drawing attention to", "studying".
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I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
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I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
I'd put a comma after 'medical students'
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
Not necessarily - it would make for easier reading, so you know where to pause.
– marcellothearcane
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
@marcellothearcane: Whether a comma follows the word "who" or not is not a matter of preference. I recommend that you look at the link I provided, or any grammar book.
– hguler
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
I’m sorry – reading the sentence on its own now, I see that you’re right. I got lost between the different versions of the sentence because I originally wanted to rephrase the (very unclear) original sentence by changing “and the disproportionate percentage of whom apply” to “and the disproportionate percentage of those who apply”, so that meaning stuck in my head. Your rephrasing has a significantly different meaning where “percentage of them || who apply” does make sense. I’ll delete my previous comments, since they are misleading.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
@Janus Bahs Jacquet: Thank you for clarifying. I'll delete mine too after you delete yours.
– hguler
3 hours ago
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No. Whom has no referent here. At the surface level, you could fix that simply by replacing "of whom" with "that" and you're golden. However, I'm not sure that "minority medical students" is a thing. What exactly are you trying to say there. It's sort of clear what you're getting at but that's not how I'd phrase it. And that's really the real culprit here, because that's why the whom is missing a referent. Once you fix that bit, everything else might fall into place all by itself.
– RegDwigнt♦
3 hours ago
What is the sentence supposed to mean? As it stands, it means nothing – it doesn’t make enough sense that it can be understood, so we cannot tell you how to improve it.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
3 hours ago