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The plural of "quiz" is spelled with double "z" while the plural of "box" (and sometimes "bus") is spelled with a single last consonant. Why is it so? Is this the general rule to double the last consonant to keep the syllable closed?










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  • Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

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    @RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

    – Larisa Lyapina
    May 9 '12 at 9:24











  • @LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

    – MT_Head
    May 9 '12 at 9:40






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    @LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

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  • The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

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    Oct 20 '18 at 4:13
















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The plural of "quiz" is spelled with double "z" while the plural of "box" (and sometimes "bus") is spelled with a single last consonant. Why is it so? Is this the general rule to double the last consonant to keep the syllable closed?










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  • Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

    – RegDwigнt
    May 9 '12 at 8:23








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    @RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

    – Larisa Lyapina
    May 9 '12 at 9:24











  • @LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

    – MT_Head
    May 9 '12 at 9:40






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    @LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

    – FumbleFingers
    May 9 '12 at 14:42











  • The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

    – Sven Yargs
    Oct 20 '18 at 4:13














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The plural of "quiz" is spelled with double "z" while the plural of "box" (and sometimes "bus") is spelled with a single last consonant. Why is it so? Is this the general rule to double the last consonant to keep the syllable closed?










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  • Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

    – RegDwigнt
    May 9 '12 at 8:23








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    @RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

    – Larisa Lyapina
    May 9 '12 at 9:24











  • @LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

    – MT_Head
    May 9 '12 at 9:40






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    @LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

    – FumbleFingers
    May 9 '12 at 14:42











  • The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

    – Sven Yargs
    Oct 20 '18 at 4:13



















  • Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

    – RegDwigнt
    May 9 '12 at 8:23








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    @RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

    – Larisa Lyapina
    May 9 '12 at 9:24











  • @LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

    – MT_Head
    May 9 '12 at 9:40






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    @LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

    – FumbleFingers
    May 9 '12 at 14:42











  • The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

    – Sven Yargs
    Oct 20 '18 at 4:13

















Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

– RegDwigнt
May 9 '12 at 8:23







Busses is a valid plural of bus. Merriam-Webster, Wiktionary, The Free Dictionary.

– RegDwigнt
May 9 '12 at 8:23






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@RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

– Larisa Lyapina
May 9 '12 at 9:24





@RegDwightΒВBẞ8, all of the dictionaries you have mentioned also list "buses" as a valid plural of "bus". Citing Merriam-Webster "plural bus·es also bus·ses", this makes me think that "buses" is more common.

– Larisa Lyapina
May 9 '12 at 9:24













@LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

– MT_Head
May 9 '12 at 9:40





@LarisaLyapina - Buss is an old word for "kiss"; it may be that the single-S variant gained popularity out of a desire to avoid confusion. Maybe.

– MT_Head
May 9 '12 at 9:40




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@LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

– FumbleFingers
May 9 '12 at 14:42





@LarisaLyapina,MT_Head: Per this earlier question, the vehicles are normally pluralised as buses, and the electronics data/power connections as busses.

– FumbleFingers
May 9 '12 at 14:42













The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

– Sven Yargs
Oct 20 '18 at 4:13





The more common plural form of fez is fezzes, according Merriam-Webster, although it accepts fezes as a variant.

– Sven Yargs
Oct 20 '18 at 4:13










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In most cases where a word ends in (vowel)-(consonant)-e, we pronounce the last syllable with a long vowel sound. Conversely, most words that end with a double consonant get a short vowel sound.



So: when adding "es", "er", "est", or "ed" to the end of the word would appear to change the vowel sound, double the consonant.



Examples:




  • quizes - ize is usually pronounced like "eyes", so change it to quizzes to preserve the short I sound


  • subed (short for "substituted") - ube is usually pronounced "oob" or "yoob", so change it to subbed


  • biger - ige is usually pronounced "eyej", so change to bigger



Related: Tom Lehrer's song Silent E from The Electric Company TV show (one of my childhood faves!)






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  • I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

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    Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

    – Malvolio
    May 9 '12 at 14:54






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    @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

    – MT_Head
    May 9 '12 at 16:11






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    When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

    – John Lawler
    May 9 '12 at 16:21






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    @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

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When there are two vowels before a consonant, you do not double the consonant; however, qu has its own sound, so the u is not "counted" as a vowel.






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    The absence of consonant doubling in "boxes" is regular



    The letter X represents two consonant sounds (in this context, /ks/) and counts as two consonants in the context of the rules for pronouncing vowel letters as "long" or "short". Double X is very uncommon and not part of the typical English spelling system (see the answers to Why do we write "fixing" instead of "fixxing"?).



    You can see the regular pattern -x → -xes in many other words like foxes, mixes, hexes, taxes, sexes, fixes, flexes, sixes, fluxes.



    The presence of consonant doubling in "quizzes" might be considered regular (but words spelled like "quiz" are a bit unusual)



    There are not very many examples of consonant doubling before -es, for several reasons.




    • The usual form of this suffix is -s. The form -es only occurs regularly after sibilant sounds: /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/. (It also occurs, but never with doubling, in plural forms ending in -ves that correspond to singular forms ending in -f.)


    • Consonant doubling is only regular after a stressed syllable, although there are some cases in English spelling of irregular doubling after an unstressed syllable (see "Focussed" or "focused"? Rules for doubling the last consonant when adding -ed).



    • Many of the sibilant sounds are either rare in word-final position after stressed short vowels, or have spellings that already doubled or that are incompatible with consonant doubling.



      For final /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, the "already-doubled" spellings -tch(es), -dge(s), -ss(es), -zz(es) are common. So we write witch(es), edge(s), kiss(es), mess(es), buzz(es), fuzz(es).



      For final /ʃ/, the usual spelling <sh> is not doubled in any context. So we write fish(es), wish(es), ash(es), push(es), etc. When final /tʃ/ is not written double after a short vowel sound (such as attach, enrich) it is not doubled before -es either (attaches, enriches).



      Words ending in /ʒ/ are extremely rare, words ending in a short stressed vowel followed by /ʒ/ are even rarer, and the most common spelling of word-final /ʒ/ is -ge, which has no corresponding doubled form. ("Corteges" may be an example of a word ending in /ɛʒɨz/).




    So the issue of "to double or not to double before -es?" really only comes up with words ending in /s/ or /z/ preceded by a stressed "short vowel sound" and spelled with a single final S or a single final Z. There aren't that many words like this, so I don't know how much sense it makes to speak of a "general rule" for them.




    • Examples of Z being doubled before -es: quizzes, spazzes, whizzes, wizzes. But fezes and fezzes both seem to have non-negligible usage.


    • Examples of S being doubled before -es: buses, pluses, yeses, gases, Guses seem to be more common than busses, plusses, yesses, gasses, Gusses; but the latter forms exist. Biasses is listed in some dictionaries (e.g. AHD, Cambridge) but seems to be much less common than biases.



    A few sources make the suggestion that the use of -ses vs. -sses might distinguish a noun form from a verb form; e.g. this web page says "A state of matter > GASES; (verb) to poison with gas > GASSES, GASSING, GASSED" and the Grammarist page on "
    Gases vs. gasses" says "In modern English, the plural of gas is usually gases, and gasses is the simple-present verb." The Google Ngram Viewer seems to provide a moderate amount of support for this distinction in that it shows a great deal of usage for gases as a noun, but no detectable usage for gases as a verb. The word gasses has a tiny but detectable amount of usage as a noun or as a verb.



    If there really is a notable difference between the use of consonant doubling before -es as a noun suffix vs. as a verb suffix, the reason might be that consonant doubling is more frequent in the context of verb inflection (where there are many common examples of consonant doubling before the suffixes -ing and -ed) than in the context of noun pluralization.






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      In most cases where a word ends in (vowel)-(consonant)-e, we pronounce the last syllable with a long vowel sound. Conversely, most words that end with a double consonant get a short vowel sound.



      So: when adding "es", "er", "est", or "ed" to the end of the word would appear to change the vowel sound, double the consonant.



      Examples:




      • quizes - ize is usually pronounced like "eyes", so change it to quizzes to preserve the short I sound


      • subed (short for "substituted") - ube is usually pronounced "oob" or "yoob", so change it to subbed


      • biger - ige is usually pronounced "eyej", so change to bigger



      Related: Tom Lehrer's song Silent E from The Electric Company TV show (one of my childhood faves!)






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      • I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

        – Armen Ծիրունյան
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        Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

        – Malvolio
        May 9 '12 at 14:54






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        @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

        – MT_Head
        May 9 '12 at 16:11






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        When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

        – John Lawler
        May 9 '12 at 16:21






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        @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

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      In most cases where a word ends in (vowel)-(consonant)-e, we pronounce the last syllable with a long vowel sound. Conversely, most words that end with a double consonant get a short vowel sound.



      So: when adding "es", "er", "est", or "ed" to the end of the word would appear to change the vowel sound, double the consonant.



      Examples:




      • quizes - ize is usually pronounced like "eyes", so change it to quizzes to preserve the short I sound


      • subed (short for "substituted") - ube is usually pronounced "oob" or "yoob", so change it to subbed


      • biger - ige is usually pronounced "eyej", so change to bigger



      Related: Tom Lehrer's song Silent E from The Electric Company TV show (one of my childhood faves!)






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      • I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

        – Armen Ծիրունյան
        May 9 '12 at 11:03








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        Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

        – Malvolio
        May 9 '12 at 14:54






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        @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

        – MT_Head
        May 9 '12 at 16:11






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        When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

        – John Lawler
        May 9 '12 at 16:21






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        @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

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      In most cases where a word ends in (vowel)-(consonant)-e, we pronounce the last syllable with a long vowel sound. Conversely, most words that end with a double consonant get a short vowel sound.



      So: when adding "es", "er", "est", or "ed" to the end of the word would appear to change the vowel sound, double the consonant.



      Examples:




      • quizes - ize is usually pronounced like "eyes", so change it to quizzes to preserve the short I sound


      • subed (short for "substituted") - ube is usually pronounced "oob" or "yoob", so change it to subbed


      • biger - ige is usually pronounced "eyej", so change to bigger



      Related: Tom Lehrer's song Silent E from The Electric Company TV show (one of my childhood faves!)






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      In most cases where a word ends in (vowel)-(consonant)-e, we pronounce the last syllable with a long vowel sound. Conversely, most words that end with a double consonant get a short vowel sound.



      So: when adding "es", "er", "est", or "ed" to the end of the word would appear to change the vowel sound, double the consonant.



      Examples:




      • quizes - ize is usually pronounced like "eyes", so change it to quizzes to preserve the short I sound


      • subed (short for "substituted") - ube is usually pronounced "oob" or "yoob", so change it to subbed


      • biger - ige is usually pronounced "eyej", so change to bigger



      Related: Tom Lehrer's song Silent E from The Electric Company TV show (one of my childhood faves!)







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      • I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

        – Armen Ծիրունյան
        May 9 '12 at 11:03








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        Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

        – Malvolio
        May 9 '12 at 14:54






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        @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

        – MT_Head
        May 9 '12 at 16:11






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        When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

        – John Lawler
        May 9 '12 at 16:21






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        @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

        – MT_Head
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      • I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

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        Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

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        @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

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        May 9 '12 at 16:11






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        When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

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        @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

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      I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

      – Armen Ծիրունյան
      May 9 '12 at 11:03







      I find this answer a bit unsatisfactory. The rules for doubling the consonants before -ed, -ing, and -er/-est are pretty much clear and follow the logic of your answer. However, the plural -es seems to be different. Why is it buses, but not busses? If bus were an adjective or verb, we'd have bussed, bussing, or busser, and the bussest... But somehow it's buses.

      – Armen Ծիրունյան
      May 9 '12 at 11:03






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      Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

      – Malvolio
      May 9 '12 at 14:54





      Wouldn't you think that if "quizes" should rhyme with "eyes", then "buses" should rhyme with "fuses"?

      – Malvolio
      May 9 '12 at 14:54




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      @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

      – MT_Head
      May 9 '12 at 16:11





      @ArmenTsirunyan - Bus is a relatively new word, dating from 1825 or so - it's short for omnibus - which means that all of those forms you mention are even newer. As I said in a comment to the OP, buss (meaning "kiss") was already a word in (declining) use at the time. I suspect that buses, busing, bused, etc. were all coined that way to avoid collision with the existing words. Over time, as "buss" dropped even further from common use (I've only ever seen it used in Heinlein novels), I suspect that the reason for the distinction has been largely forgotten.

      – MT_Head
      May 9 '12 at 16:11




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      When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

      – John Lawler
      May 9 '12 at 16:21





      When I was growing up (1942-60, say), busses was the accepted plural spelling for bus. Later, when the derived noun bussing was introduced in a context of undoing school segregation, it quickly got shortened to single-S busing by headline writers, and soon enough by everybody else. A letter saved is a letter earned, or something. The fact that jokes about "busing" and "abusing" were easier to make with this spelling is undoubtedly accidental.

      – John Lawler
      May 9 '12 at 16:21




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      @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

      – MT_Head
      May 9 '12 at 18:40





      @Malvolio - I do think that, by all logic and consistency, "busses" should be the dominant spelling (by the way, my spell checker doesn't like it!), and for exactly the reason you cite: because buses looks like it ought to rhyme with fuses, and that's a situation we normally avoid. However, it's obviously a special case, and I've put forward one suggestion as to why that is; John Lawler has another which makes a lot of sense to me as well. I think the OP was asking for a general rule - but we all know that there are always exceptions. They don't invalidate the rules, though.

      – MT_Head
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      When there are two vowels before a consonant, you do not double the consonant; however, qu has its own sound, so the u is not "counted" as a vowel.






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        When there are two vowels before a consonant, you do not double the consonant; however, qu has its own sound, so the u is not "counted" as a vowel.






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          When there are two vowels before a consonant, you do not double the consonant; however, qu has its own sound, so the u is not "counted" as a vowel.






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          When there are two vowels before a consonant, you do not double the consonant; however, qu has its own sound, so the u is not "counted" as a vowel.







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              The absence of consonant doubling in "boxes" is regular



              The letter X represents two consonant sounds (in this context, /ks/) and counts as two consonants in the context of the rules for pronouncing vowel letters as "long" or "short". Double X is very uncommon and not part of the typical English spelling system (see the answers to Why do we write "fixing" instead of "fixxing"?).



              You can see the regular pattern -x → -xes in many other words like foxes, mixes, hexes, taxes, sexes, fixes, flexes, sixes, fluxes.



              The presence of consonant doubling in "quizzes" might be considered regular (but words spelled like "quiz" are a bit unusual)



              There are not very many examples of consonant doubling before -es, for several reasons.




              • The usual form of this suffix is -s. The form -es only occurs regularly after sibilant sounds: /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/. (It also occurs, but never with doubling, in plural forms ending in -ves that correspond to singular forms ending in -f.)


              • Consonant doubling is only regular after a stressed syllable, although there are some cases in English spelling of irregular doubling after an unstressed syllable (see "Focussed" or "focused"? Rules for doubling the last consonant when adding -ed).



              • Many of the sibilant sounds are either rare in word-final position after stressed short vowels, or have spellings that already doubled or that are incompatible with consonant doubling.



                For final /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, the "already-doubled" spellings -tch(es), -dge(s), -ss(es), -zz(es) are common. So we write witch(es), edge(s), kiss(es), mess(es), buzz(es), fuzz(es).



                For final /ʃ/, the usual spelling <sh> is not doubled in any context. So we write fish(es), wish(es), ash(es), push(es), etc. When final /tʃ/ is not written double after a short vowel sound (such as attach, enrich) it is not doubled before -es either (attaches, enriches).



                Words ending in /ʒ/ are extremely rare, words ending in a short stressed vowel followed by /ʒ/ are even rarer, and the most common spelling of word-final /ʒ/ is -ge, which has no corresponding doubled form. ("Corteges" may be an example of a word ending in /ɛʒɨz/).




              So the issue of "to double or not to double before -es?" really only comes up with words ending in /s/ or /z/ preceded by a stressed "short vowel sound" and spelled with a single final S or a single final Z. There aren't that many words like this, so I don't know how much sense it makes to speak of a "general rule" for them.




              • Examples of Z being doubled before -es: quizzes, spazzes, whizzes, wizzes. But fezes and fezzes both seem to have non-negligible usage.


              • Examples of S being doubled before -es: buses, pluses, yeses, gases, Guses seem to be more common than busses, plusses, yesses, gasses, Gusses; but the latter forms exist. Biasses is listed in some dictionaries (e.g. AHD, Cambridge) but seems to be much less common than biases.



              A few sources make the suggestion that the use of -ses vs. -sses might distinguish a noun form from a verb form; e.g. this web page says "A state of matter > GASES; (verb) to poison with gas > GASSES, GASSING, GASSED" and the Grammarist page on "
              Gases vs. gasses" says "In modern English, the plural of gas is usually gases, and gasses is the simple-present verb." The Google Ngram Viewer seems to provide a moderate amount of support for this distinction in that it shows a great deal of usage for gases as a noun, but no detectable usage for gases as a verb. The word gasses has a tiny but detectable amount of usage as a noun or as a verb.



              If there really is a notable difference between the use of consonant doubling before -es as a noun suffix vs. as a verb suffix, the reason might be that consonant doubling is more frequent in the context of verb inflection (where there are many common examples of consonant doubling before the suffixes -ing and -ed) than in the context of noun pluralization.






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                The absence of consonant doubling in "boxes" is regular



                The letter X represents two consonant sounds (in this context, /ks/) and counts as two consonants in the context of the rules for pronouncing vowel letters as "long" or "short". Double X is very uncommon and not part of the typical English spelling system (see the answers to Why do we write "fixing" instead of "fixxing"?).



                You can see the regular pattern -x → -xes in many other words like foxes, mixes, hexes, taxes, sexes, fixes, flexes, sixes, fluxes.



                The presence of consonant doubling in "quizzes" might be considered regular (but words spelled like "quiz" are a bit unusual)



                There are not very many examples of consonant doubling before -es, for several reasons.




                • The usual form of this suffix is -s. The form -es only occurs regularly after sibilant sounds: /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/. (It also occurs, but never with doubling, in plural forms ending in -ves that correspond to singular forms ending in -f.)


                • Consonant doubling is only regular after a stressed syllable, although there are some cases in English spelling of irregular doubling after an unstressed syllable (see "Focussed" or "focused"? Rules for doubling the last consonant when adding -ed).



                • Many of the sibilant sounds are either rare in word-final position after stressed short vowels, or have spellings that already doubled or that are incompatible with consonant doubling.



                  For final /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, the "already-doubled" spellings -tch(es), -dge(s), -ss(es), -zz(es) are common. So we write witch(es), edge(s), kiss(es), mess(es), buzz(es), fuzz(es).



                  For final /ʃ/, the usual spelling <sh> is not doubled in any context. So we write fish(es), wish(es), ash(es), push(es), etc. When final /tʃ/ is not written double after a short vowel sound (such as attach, enrich) it is not doubled before -es either (attaches, enriches).



                  Words ending in /ʒ/ are extremely rare, words ending in a short stressed vowel followed by /ʒ/ are even rarer, and the most common spelling of word-final /ʒ/ is -ge, which has no corresponding doubled form. ("Corteges" may be an example of a word ending in /ɛʒɨz/).




                So the issue of "to double or not to double before -es?" really only comes up with words ending in /s/ or /z/ preceded by a stressed "short vowel sound" and spelled with a single final S or a single final Z. There aren't that many words like this, so I don't know how much sense it makes to speak of a "general rule" for them.




                • Examples of Z being doubled before -es: quizzes, spazzes, whizzes, wizzes. But fezes and fezzes both seem to have non-negligible usage.


                • Examples of S being doubled before -es: buses, pluses, yeses, gases, Guses seem to be more common than busses, plusses, yesses, gasses, Gusses; but the latter forms exist. Biasses is listed in some dictionaries (e.g. AHD, Cambridge) but seems to be much less common than biases.



                A few sources make the suggestion that the use of -ses vs. -sses might distinguish a noun form from a verb form; e.g. this web page says "A state of matter > GASES; (verb) to poison with gas > GASSES, GASSING, GASSED" and the Grammarist page on "
                Gases vs. gasses" says "In modern English, the plural of gas is usually gases, and gasses is the simple-present verb." The Google Ngram Viewer seems to provide a moderate amount of support for this distinction in that it shows a great deal of usage for gases as a noun, but no detectable usage for gases as a verb. The word gasses has a tiny but detectable amount of usage as a noun or as a verb.



                If there really is a notable difference between the use of consonant doubling before -es as a noun suffix vs. as a verb suffix, the reason might be that consonant doubling is more frequent in the context of verb inflection (where there are many common examples of consonant doubling before the suffixes -ing and -ed) than in the context of noun pluralization.






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                  The absence of consonant doubling in "boxes" is regular



                  The letter X represents two consonant sounds (in this context, /ks/) and counts as two consonants in the context of the rules for pronouncing vowel letters as "long" or "short". Double X is very uncommon and not part of the typical English spelling system (see the answers to Why do we write "fixing" instead of "fixxing"?).



                  You can see the regular pattern -x → -xes in many other words like foxes, mixes, hexes, taxes, sexes, fixes, flexes, sixes, fluxes.



                  The presence of consonant doubling in "quizzes" might be considered regular (but words spelled like "quiz" are a bit unusual)



                  There are not very many examples of consonant doubling before -es, for several reasons.




                  • The usual form of this suffix is -s. The form -es only occurs regularly after sibilant sounds: /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/. (It also occurs, but never with doubling, in plural forms ending in -ves that correspond to singular forms ending in -f.)


                  • Consonant doubling is only regular after a stressed syllable, although there are some cases in English spelling of irregular doubling after an unstressed syllable (see "Focussed" or "focused"? Rules for doubling the last consonant when adding -ed).



                  • Many of the sibilant sounds are either rare in word-final position after stressed short vowels, or have spellings that already doubled or that are incompatible with consonant doubling.



                    For final /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, the "already-doubled" spellings -tch(es), -dge(s), -ss(es), -zz(es) are common. So we write witch(es), edge(s), kiss(es), mess(es), buzz(es), fuzz(es).



                    For final /ʃ/, the usual spelling <sh> is not doubled in any context. So we write fish(es), wish(es), ash(es), push(es), etc. When final /tʃ/ is not written double after a short vowel sound (such as attach, enrich) it is not doubled before -es either (attaches, enriches).



                    Words ending in /ʒ/ are extremely rare, words ending in a short stressed vowel followed by /ʒ/ are even rarer, and the most common spelling of word-final /ʒ/ is -ge, which has no corresponding doubled form. ("Corteges" may be an example of a word ending in /ɛʒɨz/).




                  So the issue of "to double or not to double before -es?" really only comes up with words ending in /s/ or /z/ preceded by a stressed "short vowel sound" and spelled with a single final S or a single final Z. There aren't that many words like this, so I don't know how much sense it makes to speak of a "general rule" for them.




                  • Examples of Z being doubled before -es: quizzes, spazzes, whizzes, wizzes. But fezes and fezzes both seem to have non-negligible usage.


                  • Examples of S being doubled before -es: buses, pluses, yeses, gases, Guses seem to be more common than busses, plusses, yesses, gasses, Gusses; but the latter forms exist. Biasses is listed in some dictionaries (e.g. AHD, Cambridge) but seems to be much less common than biases.



                  A few sources make the suggestion that the use of -ses vs. -sses might distinguish a noun form from a verb form; e.g. this web page says "A state of matter > GASES; (verb) to poison with gas > GASSES, GASSING, GASSED" and the Grammarist page on "
                  Gases vs. gasses" says "In modern English, the plural of gas is usually gases, and gasses is the simple-present verb." The Google Ngram Viewer seems to provide a moderate amount of support for this distinction in that it shows a great deal of usage for gases as a noun, but no detectable usage for gases as a verb. The word gasses has a tiny but detectable amount of usage as a noun or as a verb.



                  If there really is a notable difference between the use of consonant doubling before -es as a noun suffix vs. as a verb suffix, the reason might be that consonant doubling is more frequent in the context of verb inflection (where there are many common examples of consonant doubling before the suffixes -ing and -ed) than in the context of noun pluralization.






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                  The absence of consonant doubling in "boxes" is regular



                  The letter X represents two consonant sounds (in this context, /ks/) and counts as two consonants in the context of the rules for pronouncing vowel letters as "long" or "short". Double X is very uncommon and not part of the typical English spelling system (see the answers to Why do we write "fixing" instead of "fixxing"?).



                  You can see the regular pattern -x → -xes in many other words like foxes, mixes, hexes, taxes, sexes, fixes, flexes, sixes, fluxes.



                  The presence of consonant doubling in "quizzes" might be considered regular (but words spelled like "quiz" are a bit unusual)



                  There are not very many examples of consonant doubling before -es, for several reasons.




                  • The usual form of this suffix is -s. The form -es only occurs regularly after sibilant sounds: /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, /ʃ/, /ʒ/. (It also occurs, but never with doubling, in plural forms ending in -ves that correspond to singular forms ending in -f.)


                  • Consonant doubling is only regular after a stressed syllable, although there are some cases in English spelling of irregular doubling after an unstressed syllable (see "Focussed" or "focused"? Rules for doubling the last consonant when adding -ed).



                  • Many of the sibilant sounds are either rare in word-final position after stressed short vowels, or have spellings that already doubled or that are incompatible with consonant doubling.



                    For final /tʃ/, /dʒ/, /s/, /z/, the "already-doubled" spellings -tch(es), -dge(s), -ss(es), -zz(es) are common. So we write witch(es), edge(s), kiss(es), mess(es), buzz(es), fuzz(es).



                    For final /ʃ/, the usual spelling <sh> is not doubled in any context. So we write fish(es), wish(es), ash(es), push(es), etc. When final /tʃ/ is not written double after a short vowel sound (such as attach, enrich) it is not doubled before -es either (attaches, enriches).



                    Words ending in /ʒ/ are extremely rare, words ending in a short stressed vowel followed by /ʒ/ are even rarer, and the most common spelling of word-final /ʒ/ is -ge, which has no corresponding doubled form. ("Corteges" may be an example of a word ending in /ɛʒɨz/).




                  So the issue of "to double or not to double before -es?" really only comes up with words ending in /s/ or /z/ preceded by a stressed "short vowel sound" and spelled with a single final S or a single final Z. There aren't that many words like this, so I don't know how much sense it makes to speak of a "general rule" for them.




                  • Examples of Z being doubled before -es: quizzes, spazzes, whizzes, wizzes. But fezes and fezzes both seem to have non-negligible usage.


                  • Examples of S being doubled before -es: buses, pluses, yeses, gases, Guses seem to be more common than busses, plusses, yesses, gasses, Gusses; but the latter forms exist. Biasses is listed in some dictionaries (e.g. AHD, Cambridge) but seems to be much less common than biases.



                  A few sources make the suggestion that the use of -ses vs. -sses might distinguish a noun form from a verb form; e.g. this web page says "A state of matter > GASES; (verb) to poison with gas > GASSES, GASSING, GASSED" and the Grammarist page on "
                  Gases vs. gasses" says "In modern English, the plural of gas is usually gases, and gasses is the simple-present verb." The Google Ngram Viewer seems to provide a moderate amount of support for this distinction in that it shows a great deal of usage for gases as a noun, but no detectable usage for gases as a verb. The word gasses has a tiny but detectable amount of usage as a noun or as a verb.



                  If there really is a notable difference between the use of consonant doubling before -es as a noun suffix vs. as a verb suffix, the reason might be that consonant doubling is more frequent in the context of verb inflection (where there are many common examples of consonant doubling before the suffixes -ing and -ed) than in the context of noun pluralization.







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