How is it possible to drive VGA displays at such high pixel clock frequencies?
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I'm working on a digital circuit using discrete components to drive a 640x480 VGA display in a 80x30 text mode.
For a 640x480 display, the pixel clock is 25.175MHz, which has a period around 40ns. I don't understand how I'm supposed to be able provide a new pixel to the display this often.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch).
At 800, increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Use ASCII character to index in character ROM to obtain bit pattern for character
Use parallel to serial shift register to convert 8 pixel line of character to individual bits at pixel clock frequency
If you follow the chain, it goes:
Counter -> RAM -> ROM -> Parallel to Serial Shift Register
Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around
15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
At even higher resolutions and refresh rates, you can have pixel clocks well above 100MHz which will be a 10ns period.
How is it possible to provide new pixels to the display every 10ns when just the access time for RAM/ROM are already well above it, not even considering all the other signals in your system?
digital-logic signal frequency vga propagation
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I'm working on a digital circuit using discrete components to drive a 640x480 VGA display in a 80x30 text mode.
For a 640x480 display, the pixel clock is 25.175MHz, which has a period around 40ns. I don't understand how I'm supposed to be able provide a new pixel to the display this often.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch).
At 800, increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Use ASCII character to index in character ROM to obtain bit pattern for character
Use parallel to serial shift register to convert 8 pixel line of character to individual bits at pixel clock frequency
If you follow the chain, it goes:
Counter -> RAM -> ROM -> Parallel to Serial Shift Register
Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around
15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
At even higher resolutions and refresh rates, you can have pixel clocks well above 100MHz which will be a 10ns period.
How is it possible to provide new pixels to the display every 10ns when just the access time for RAM/ROM are already well above it, not even considering all the other signals in your system?
digital-logic signal frequency vga propagation
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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"The Cheap Video Cookbook" by "Don Lancaster"
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I'm working on a digital circuit using discrete components to drive a 640x480 VGA display in a 80x30 text mode.
For a 640x480 display, the pixel clock is 25.175MHz, which has a period around 40ns. I don't understand how I'm supposed to be able provide a new pixel to the display this often.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch).
At 800, increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Use ASCII character to index in character ROM to obtain bit pattern for character
Use parallel to serial shift register to convert 8 pixel line of character to individual bits at pixel clock frequency
If you follow the chain, it goes:
Counter -> RAM -> ROM -> Parallel to Serial Shift Register
Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around
15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
At even higher resolutions and refresh rates, you can have pixel clocks well above 100MHz which will be a 10ns period.
How is it possible to provide new pixels to the display every 10ns when just the access time for RAM/ROM are already well above it, not even considering all the other signals in your system?
digital-logic signal frequency vga propagation
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I'm working on a digital circuit using discrete components to drive a 640x480 VGA display in a 80x30 text mode.
For a 640x480 display, the pixel clock is 25.175MHz, which has a period around 40ns. I don't understand how I'm supposed to be able provide a new pixel to the display this often.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch).
At 800, increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Use ASCII character to index in character ROM to obtain bit pattern for character
Use parallel to serial shift register to convert 8 pixel line of character to individual bits at pixel clock frequency
If you follow the chain, it goes:
Counter -> RAM -> ROM -> Parallel to Serial Shift Register
Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around
15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
At even higher resolutions and refresh rates, you can have pixel clocks well above 100MHz which will be a 10ns period.
How is it possible to provide new pixels to the display every 10ns when just the access time for RAM/ROM are already well above it, not even considering all the other signals in your system?
digital-logic signal frequency vga propagation
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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– jonk
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"The Cheap Video Cookbook" by "Don Lancaster"
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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– jonk
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"The Cheap Video Cookbook" by "Don Lancaster"
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– Jasen
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
8 hours ago
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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– jonk
8 hours ago
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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– jonk
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"The Cheap Video Cookbook" by "Don Lancaster"
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There are two main reasons you are finding this challenging.
First, you are using older and more discrete (lower scale integration) parts than would have been used to do this in the era of VGA.
But next, you are using them in an atypical way. Specifically, your approach is not pipelined
which means that you are having to add up multiple delays when determining your interval, and thus rate.
In contrast, synchronous digital designs which attempt to achieve speed try to do as little as possible between registers.
While the details would probably differ a little, crudely speaking it would work something like this:
- You increment or reset the address, then that goes in a register.
- You latch the address into the synchronous memory
- You latch the output of the synchronous memory
- You latch this into the address of the synchronous character generator
- You latch the output of the character generator into the output register
- apply the palette lookup...
- into the synchronous DAC...
When you break a task down like this, you only get one combinatorial delay plus some propagation delay and register setup and hold times needing to fit between clocks.
A design built this way will take many clocks to produce an output - the latency will actually be higher than a purely combinatorial design. But it produces a new correct output on each cycle of a much faster clock.
And hey, it's video, it doesn't really matter if the CRT is drawing a dozen pixels behind the pixel counter - you of course take that into account in the timing of the sync signals so that they are correct compared to when the data actually comes out of the DAC.
In practice, almost all complex digital systems work this way, as it's a great idea - right up until a pipelined CPU hits a dependency on an earlier computational result or a conditional branch... Then things get interesting, as they'd talk about in the next lecture of a digital systems class - but fortunately your VGA situation is a lot simpler, especially if you don't yet worry about tearing effects if the character buffer changes while the screen is being drawn.
As a practical matter if you want to build this, do it in an FPGA. That will pretty much force synchronous memories on you if you use internal ones, or synchronous IO registers if you use external memory. You'll get a lot of nudging towards a proper design, the fabric itself will be faster than your discrete parts, and of course if you make a mistake you only need twiddle your thumbs while it recompiles rather than spend a long day re-wiring.
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Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around 15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
You forget that a graphics adapter would never only draw a single pixel – but at least a full scan line. Thus, this would be a completely pipelineable problem.
Also, don't forget that there's been five decades of video producing hardware so far. Your problem would usually be solved with a special type of RAM, into which you render
your letters on one port, and which is sequentially read out to a video signal DAC.
That hardware is way, way faster than what you're looking at.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch). At 800,
increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)
Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Nope, why would you do that? You'd simply put your row pixel into a contiguous area of memory and linearly put it out to your DAC – if this is about a CPU / MCU implementation, you'd not even let your CPU do that, but a DMA unit, programmed to do nothing but take one value after the other and put it out to e.g. a parallel data port, without any CPU core interaction.
- Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Ah, you want to render on the fly – good choice, but unusual at modern costs of RAM.
Instead, you'd just render the character into a frame buffer beforehand, or if yor device is extremely slim, directly pipe out (see my DMA explanation above) the character row to the DAC.
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So obviously that doesn't work; you need a pipeline.
1) Store the characters contiguously in memory. Start at the top left.
2) Fetch a character during the blanking interval. Continue to fetch characters in memory order.
3) Pipeline each decoded character plus line index into the ROM.
4) Pipeline the ROM output into a buffer.
5) Pipeline the buffer into a shift register. Read out pixels continuously at 40ns intervals from this.
(That implies you need to load a new character into the shift register every 320ns, which might even be doable without pipelining the whole rest of the system.)
6) During horizontal blanking, either return to the start of the line or advance to the next character (ie start of next line.)
Bonus feature: since you only need a character every 320ns, you could also read a character+colour pair and do either MSDOS-style or Spectrum-Style colour characters.
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There are two main reasons you are finding this challenging.
First, you are using older and more discrete (lower scale integration) parts than would have been used to do this in the era of VGA.
But next, you are using them in an atypical way. Specifically, your approach is not pipelined
which means that you are having to add up multiple delays when determining your interval, and thus rate.
In contrast, synchronous digital designs which attempt to achieve speed try to do as little as possible between registers.
While the details would probably differ a little, crudely speaking it would work something like this:
- You increment or reset the address, then that goes in a register.
- You latch the address into the synchronous memory
- You latch the output of the synchronous memory
- You latch this into the address of the synchronous character generator
- You latch the output of the character generator into the output register
- apply the palette lookup...
- into the synchronous DAC...
When you break a task down like this, you only get one combinatorial delay plus some propagation delay and register setup and hold times needing to fit between clocks.
A design built this way will take many clocks to produce an output - the latency will actually be higher than a purely combinatorial design. But it produces a new correct output on each cycle of a much faster clock.
And hey, it's video, it doesn't really matter if the CRT is drawing a dozen pixels behind the pixel counter - you of course take that into account in the timing of the sync signals so that they are correct compared to when the data actually comes out of the DAC.
In practice, almost all complex digital systems work this way, as it's a great idea - right up until a pipelined CPU hits a dependency on an earlier computational result or a conditional branch... Then things get interesting, as they'd talk about in the next lecture of a digital systems class - but fortunately your VGA situation is a lot simpler, especially if you don't yet worry about tearing effects if the character buffer changes while the screen is being drawn.
As a practical matter if you want to build this, do it in an FPGA. That will pretty much force synchronous memories on you if you use internal ones, or synchronous IO registers if you use external memory. You'll get a lot of nudging towards a proper design, the fabric itself will be faster than your discrete parts, and of course if you make a mistake you only need twiddle your thumbs while it recompiles rather than spend a long day re-wiring.
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There are two main reasons you are finding this challenging.
First, you are using older and more discrete (lower scale integration) parts than would have been used to do this in the era of VGA.
But next, you are using them in an atypical way. Specifically, your approach is not pipelined
which means that you are having to add up multiple delays when determining your interval, and thus rate.
In contrast, synchronous digital designs which attempt to achieve speed try to do as little as possible between registers.
While the details would probably differ a little, crudely speaking it would work something like this:
- You increment or reset the address, then that goes in a register.
- You latch the address into the synchronous memory
- You latch the output of the synchronous memory
- You latch this into the address of the synchronous character generator
- You latch the output of the character generator into the output register
- apply the palette lookup...
- into the synchronous DAC...
When you break a task down like this, you only get one combinatorial delay plus some propagation delay and register setup and hold times needing to fit between clocks.
A design built this way will take many clocks to produce an output - the latency will actually be higher than a purely combinatorial design. But it produces a new correct output on each cycle of a much faster clock.
And hey, it's video, it doesn't really matter if the CRT is drawing a dozen pixels behind the pixel counter - you of course take that into account in the timing of the sync signals so that they are correct compared to when the data actually comes out of the DAC.
In practice, almost all complex digital systems work this way, as it's a great idea - right up until a pipelined CPU hits a dependency on an earlier computational result or a conditional branch... Then things get interesting, as they'd talk about in the next lecture of a digital systems class - but fortunately your VGA situation is a lot simpler, especially if you don't yet worry about tearing effects if the character buffer changes while the screen is being drawn.
As a practical matter if you want to build this, do it in an FPGA. That will pretty much force synchronous memories on you if you use internal ones, or synchronous IO registers if you use external memory. You'll get a lot of nudging towards a proper design, the fabric itself will be faster than your discrete parts, and of course if you make a mistake you only need twiddle your thumbs while it recompiles rather than spend a long day re-wiring.
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There are two main reasons you are finding this challenging.
First, you are using older and more discrete (lower scale integration) parts than would have been used to do this in the era of VGA.
But next, you are using them in an atypical way. Specifically, your approach is not pipelined
which means that you are having to add up multiple delays when determining your interval, and thus rate.
In contrast, synchronous digital designs which attempt to achieve speed try to do as little as possible between registers.
While the details would probably differ a little, crudely speaking it would work something like this:
- You increment or reset the address, then that goes in a register.
- You latch the address into the synchronous memory
- You latch the output of the synchronous memory
- You latch this into the address of the synchronous character generator
- You latch the output of the character generator into the output register
- apply the palette lookup...
- into the synchronous DAC...
When you break a task down like this, you only get one combinatorial delay plus some propagation delay and register setup and hold times needing to fit between clocks.
A design built this way will take many clocks to produce an output - the latency will actually be higher than a purely combinatorial design. But it produces a new correct output on each cycle of a much faster clock.
And hey, it's video, it doesn't really matter if the CRT is drawing a dozen pixels behind the pixel counter - you of course take that into account in the timing of the sync signals so that they are correct compared to when the data actually comes out of the DAC.
In practice, almost all complex digital systems work this way, as it's a great idea - right up until a pipelined CPU hits a dependency on an earlier computational result or a conditional branch... Then things get interesting, as they'd talk about in the next lecture of a digital systems class - but fortunately your VGA situation is a lot simpler, especially if you don't yet worry about tearing effects if the character buffer changes while the screen is being drawn.
As a practical matter if you want to build this, do it in an FPGA. That will pretty much force synchronous memories on you if you use internal ones, or synchronous IO registers if you use external memory. You'll get a lot of nudging towards a proper design, the fabric itself will be faster than your discrete parts, and of course if you make a mistake you only need twiddle your thumbs while it recompiles rather than spend a long day re-wiring.
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There are two main reasons you are finding this challenging.
First, you are using older and more discrete (lower scale integration) parts than would have been used to do this in the era of VGA.
But next, you are using them in an atypical way. Specifically, your approach is not pipelined
which means that you are having to add up multiple delays when determining your interval, and thus rate.
In contrast, synchronous digital designs which attempt to achieve speed try to do as little as possible between registers.
While the details would probably differ a little, crudely speaking it would work something like this:
- You increment or reset the address, then that goes in a register.
- You latch the address into the synchronous memory
- You latch the output of the synchronous memory
- You latch this into the address of the synchronous character generator
- You latch the output of the character generator into the output register
- apply the palette lookup...
- into the synchronous DAC...
When you break a task down like this, you only get one combinatorial delay plus some propagation delay and register setup and hold times needing to fit between clocks.
A design built this way will take many clocks to produce an output - the latency will actually be higher than a purely combinatorial design. But it produces a new correct output on each cycle of a much faster clock.
And hey, it's video, it doesn't really matter if the CRT is drawing a dozen pixels behind the pixel counter - you of course take that into account in the timing of the sync signals so that they are correct compared to when the data actually comes out of the DAC.
In practice, almost all complex digital systems work this way, as it's a great idea - right up until a pipelined CPU hits a dependency on an earlier computational result or a conditional branch... Then things get interesting, as they'd talk about in the next lecture of a digital systems class - but fortunately your VGA situation is a lot simpler, especially if you don't yet worry about tearing effects if the character buffer changes while the screen is being drawn.
As a practical matter if you want to build this, do it in an FPGA. That will pretty much force synchronous memories on you if you use internal ones, or synchronous IO registers if you use external memory. You'll get a lot of nudging towards a proper design, the fabric itself will be faster than your discrete parts, and of course if you make a mistake you only need twiddle your thumbs while it recompiles rather than spend a long day re-wiring.
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Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around 15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
You forget that a graphics adapter would never only draw a single pixel – but at least a full scan line. Thus, this would be a completely pipelineable problem.
Also, don't forget that there's been five decades of video producing hardware so far. Your problem would usually be solved with a special type of RAM, into which you render
your letters on one port, and which is sequentially read out to a video signal DAC.
That hardware is way, way faster than what you're looking at.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch). At 800,
increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)
Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Nope, why would you do that? You'd simply put your row pixel into a contiguous area of memory and linearly put it out to your DAC – if this is about a CPU / MCU implementation, you'd not even let your CPU do that, but a DMA unit, programmed to do nothing but take one value after the other and put it out to e.g. a parallel data port, without any CPU core interaction.
- Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Ah, you want to render on the fly – good choice, but unusual at modern costs of RAM.
Instead, you'd just render the character into a frame buffer beforehand, or if yor device is extremely slim, directly pipe out (see my DMA explanation above) the character row to the DAC.
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Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around 15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
You forget that a graphics adapter would never only draw a single pixel – but at least a full scan line. Thus, this would be a completely pipelineable problem.
Also, don't forget that there's been five decades of video producing hardware so far. Your problem would usually be solved with a special type of RAM, into which you render
your letters on one port, and which is sequentially read out to a video signal DAC.
That hardware is way, way faster than what you're looking at.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch). At 800,
increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)
Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Nope, why would you do that? You'd simply put your row pixel into a contiguous area of memory and linearly put it out to your DAC – if this is about a CPU / MCU implementation, you'd not even let your CPU do that, but a DMA unit, programmed to do nothing but take one value after the other and put it out to e.g. a parallel data port, without any CPU core interaction.
- Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Ah, you want to render on the fly – good choice, but unusual at modern costs of RAM.
Instead, you'd just render the character into a frame buffer beforehand, or if yor device is extremely slim, directly pipe out (see my DMA explanation above) the character row to the DAC.
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Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around 15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
You forget that a graphics adapter would never only draw a single pixel – but at least a full scan line. Thus, this would be a completely pipelineable problem.
Also, don't forget that there's been five decades of video producing hardware so far. Your problem would usually be solved with a special type of RAM, into which you render
your letters on one port, and which is sequentially read out to a video signal DAC.
That hardware is way, way faster than what you're looking at.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch). At 800,
increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)
Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Nope, why would you do that? You'd simply put your row pixel into a contiguous area of memory and linearly put it out to your DAC – if this is about a CPU / MCU implementation, you'd not even let your CPU do that, but a DMA unit, programmed to do nothing but take one value after the other and put it out to e.g. a parallel data port, without any CPU core interaction.
- Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Ah, you want to render on the fly – good choice, but unusual at modern costs of RAM.
Instead, you'd just render the character into a frame buffer beforehand, or if yor device is extremely slim, directly pipe out (see my DMA explanation above) the character row to the DAC.
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Using the fastest components I can find, the propagation delays and access time add up to around 15ns + 20ns + 70ns + 15ns = 120ns, much greater than the 40ns period for 25MHz.
You forget that a graphics adapter would never only draw a single pixel – but at least a full scan line. Thus, this would be a completely pipelineable problem.
Also, don't forget that there's been five decades of video producing hardware so far. Your problem would usually be solved with a special type of RAM, into which you render
your letters on one port, and which is sequentially read out to a video signal DAC.
That hardware is way, way faster than what you're looking at.
The basic architecture for my circuit is as follows:
Binary counter for horizontal pixels counts up at 25.175MHz to 800 (640 visible pixels + 160 for front porch, sync, back porch). At 800,
increment vertical line counter (and reset at 525 lines)
Using horizontal and vertical position, derive the x,y coordinate of current character.
Nope, why would you do that? You'd simply put your row pixel into a contiguous area of memory and linearly put it out to your DAC – if this is about a CPU / MCU implementation, you'd not even let your CPU do that, but a DMA unit, programmed to do nothing but take one value after the other and put it out to e.g. a parallel data port, without any CPU core interaction.
- Using x,y coordinate of character, index into video memory to retrieve ASCII character.
Ah, you want to render on the fly – good choice, but unusual at modern costs of RAM.
Instead, you'd just render the character into a frame buffer beforehand, or if yor device is extremely slim, directly pipe out (see my DMA explanation above) the character row to the DAC.
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So obviously that doesn't work; you need a pipeline.
1) Store the characters contiguously in memory. Start at the top left.
2) Fetch a character during the blanking interval. Continue to fetch characters in memory order.
3) Pipeline each decoded character plus line index into the ROM.
4) Pipeline the ROM output into a buffer.
5) Pipeline the buffer into a shift register. Read out pixels continuously at 40ns intervals from this.
(That implies you need to load a new character into the shift register every 320ns, which might even be doable without pipelining the whole rest of the system.)
6) During horizontal blanking, either return to the start of the line or advance to the next character (ie start of next line.)
Bonus feature: since you only need a character every 320ns, you could also read a character+colour pair and do either MSDOS-style or Spectrum-Style colour characters.
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So obviously that doesn't work; you need a pipeline.
1) Store the characters contiguously in memory. Start at the top left.
2) Fetch a character during the blanking interval. Continue to fetch characters in memory order.
3) Pipeline each decoded character plus line index into the ROM.
4) Pipeline the ROM output into a buffer.
5) Pipeline the buffer into a shift register. Read out pixels continuously at 40ns intervals from this.
(That implies you need to load a new character into the shift register every 320ns, which might even be doable without pipelining the whole rest of the system.)
6) During horizontal blanking, either return to the start of the line or advance to the next character (ie start of next line.)
Bonus feature: since you only need a character every 320ns, you could also read a character+colour pair and do either MSDOS-style or Spectrum-Style colour characters.
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So obviously that doesn't work; you need a pipeline.
1) Store the characters contiguously in memory. Start at the top left.
2) Fetch a character during the blanking interval. Continue to fetch characters in memory order.
3) Pipeline each decoded character plus line index into the ROM.
4) Pipeline the ROM output into a buffer.
5) Pipeline the buffer into a shift register. Read out pixels continuously at 40ns intervals from this.
(That implies you need to load a new character into the shift register every 320ns, which might even be doable without pipelining the whole rest of the system.)
6) During horizontal blanking, either return to the start of the line or advance to the next character (ie start of next line.)
Bonus feature: since you only need a character every 320ns, you could also read a character+colour pair and do either MSDOS-style or Spectrum-Style colour characters.
$endgroup$
So obviously that doesn't work; you need a pipeline.
1) Store the characters contiguously in memory. Start at the top left.
2) Fetch a character during the blanking interval. Continue to fetch characters in memory order.
3) Pipeline each decoded character plus line index into the ROM.
4) Pipeline the ROM output into a buffer.
5) Pipeline the buffer into a shift register. Read out pixels continuously at 40ns intervals from this.
(That implies you need to load a new character into the shift register every 320ns, which might even be doable without pipelining the whole rest of the system.)
6) During horizontal blanking, either return to the start of the line or advance to the next character (ie start of next line.)
Bonus feature: since you only need a character every 320ns, you could also read a character+colour pair and do either MSDOS-style or Spectrum-Style colour characters.
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You use dedicated video RAM, and clock that directly into your video signal. You work on figuring out what to display long before you actually display it.
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– Hearth
8 hours ago
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Go read about Maximite. It just uses an MCU's peripheral hardware and a few resistors to drive a VGA port. Start by examining the PIC32 peripheral he uses. Works fine. (I have a Maximite here.)
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– jonk
8 hours ago
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"The Cheap Video Cookbook" by "Don Lancaster"
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– Jasen
1 hour ago