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I can't decide whether these two sentences are both grammatically correct :
He will go shopping after he finishes his homework.
He will go shopping after he has finished his homework.
I believe that the first sentence implies that he will go shopping as soon as he finishes his homework and the second one means that he will go shopping at a certain time after he has finished his homework.
What puzzles me is that my teacher says that only the first one is correct because he says that the actions can't be simultaneous.
sequence-of-tenses
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I can't decide whether these two sentences are both grammatically correct :
He will go shopping after he finishes his homework.
He will go shopping after he has finished his homework.
I believe that the first sentence implies that he will go shopping as soon as he finishes his homework and the second one means that he will go shopping at a certain time after he has finished his homework.
What puzzles me is that my teacher says that only the first one is correct because he says that the actions can't be simultaneous.
sequence-of-tenses
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
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2,62911122
asked Apr 25 '18 at 17:32
user69503user69503
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bumped to the homepage by Community♦ 6 mins ago
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I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37
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I can't decide whether these two sentences are both grammatically correct :
He will go shopping after he finishes his homework.
He will go shopping after he has finished his homework.
I believe that the first sentence implies that he will go shopping as soon as he finishes his homework and the second one means that he will go shopping at a certain time after he has finished his homework.
What puzzles me is that my teacher says that only the first one is correct because he says that the actions can't be simultaneous.
sequence-of-tenses
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
IconDaemon
2,62911122
asked Apr 25 '18 at 17:32
user69503user69503
211
I can't decide whether these two sentences are both grammatically correct :
He will go shopping after he finishes his homework.
He will go shopping after he has finished his homework.
I believe that the first sentence implies that he will go shopping as soon as he finishes his homework and the second one means that he will go shopping at a certain time after he has finished his homework.
What puzzles me is that my teacher says that only the first one is correct because he says that the actions can't be simultaneous.
sequence-of-tenses
sequence-of-tenses
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
IconDaemon
2,62911122
asked Apr 25 '18 at 17:32
user69503user69503
211
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
IconDaemon
2,62911122
asked Apr 25 '18 at 17:32
user69503user69503
211
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
IconDaemon
2,62911122
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
IconDaemon
2,62911122
edited Apr 25 '18 at 17:37
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asked Apr 25 '18 at 17:32
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I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37
add a comment |
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I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37
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I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37
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Whether you use the present tense or the present perfect in the after subordinate clause, there is no essential difference. There is, however, a slight shift in topicality:
I’ll do the dishes after I finish my homework. I hate _____!
I’ll do the dishes after I’ve finished my homework. I hate _____!
All things being equal, i.e., barring a pathological aversion to either activity, I think most native speakers would choose doing the dishes in the first sentence and doing homework in the second. In the first, you are establishing a rather mundane sequence of events; changing the tense to the present prefect focuses on the time needed to complete the second task.
In your sentence, you can also cast the first clause in the present progressive, which is often used with future meaning:
I’m going shopping after I finish/I’ve finished my homework.
Regardless of tense chosen, there is no universe subject to time and space where Event B (shopping), which will occur after Event A (homework), can be simultaneous, so I find your teacher’s comment puzzling.
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
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Whether you use the present tense or the present perfect in the after subordinate clause, there is no essential difference. There is, however, a slight shift in topicality:
I’ll do the dishes after I finish my homework. I hate _____!
I’ll do the dishes after I’ve finished my homework. I hate _____!
All things being equal, i.e., barring a pathological aversion to either activity, I think most native speakers would choose doing the dishes in the first sentence and doing homework in the second. In the first, you are establishing a rather mundane sequence of events; changing the tense to the present prefect focuses on the time needed to complete the second task.
In your sentence, you can also cast the first clause in the present progressive, which is often used with future meaning:
I’m going shopping after I finish/I’ve finished my homework.
Regardless of tense chosen, there is no universe subject to time and space where Event B (shopping), which will occur after Event A (homework), can be simultaneous, so I find your teacher’s comment puzzling.
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
add a comment |
Whether you use the present tense or the present perfect in the after subordinate clause, there is no essential difference. There is, however, a slight shift in topicality:
I’ll do the dishes after I finish my homework. I hate _____!
I’ll do the dishes after I’ve finished my homework. I hate _____!
All things being equal, i.e., barring a pathological aversion to either activity, I think most native speakers would choose doing the dishes in the first sentence and doing homework in the second. In the first, you are establishing a rather mundane sequence of events; changing the tense to the present prefect focuses on the time needed to complete the second task.
In your sentence, you can also cast the first clause in the present progressive, which is often used with future meaning:
I’m going shopping after I finish/I’ve finished my homework.
Regardless of tense chosen, there is no universe subject to time and space where Event B (shopping), which will occur after Event A (homework), can be simultaneous, so I find your teacher’s comment puzzling.
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
add a comment |
Whether you use the present tense or the present perfect in the after subordinate clause, there is no essential difference. There is, however, a slight shift in topicality:
I’ll do the dishes after I finish my homework. I hate _____!
I’ll do the dishes after I’ve finished my homework. I hate _____!
All things being equal, i.e., barring a pathological aversion to either activity, I think most native speakers would choose doing the dishes in the first sentence and doing homework in the second. In the first, you are establishing a rather mundane sequence of events; changing the tense to the present prefect focuses on the time needed to complete the second task.
In your sentence, you can also cast the first clause in the present progressive, which is often used with future meaning:
I’m going shopping after I finish/I’ve finished my homework.
Regardless of tense chosen, there is no universe subject to time and space where Event B (shopping), which will occur after Event A (homework), can be simultaneous, so I find your teacher’s comment puzzling.
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
Whether you use the present tense or the present perfect in the after subordinate clause, there is no essential difference. There is, however, a slight shift in topicality:
I’ll do the dishes after I finish my homework. I hate _____!
I’ll do the dishes after I’ve finished my homework. I hate _____!
All things being equal, i.e., barring a pathological aversion to either activity, I think most native speakers would choose doing the dishes in the first sentence and doing homework in the second. In the first, you are establishing a rather mundane sequence of events; changing the tense to the present prefect focuses on the time needed to complete the second task.
In your sentence, you can also cast the first clause in the present progressive, which is often used with future meaning:
I’m going shopping after I finish/I’ve finished my homework.
Regardless of tense chosen, there is no universe subject to time and space where Event B (shopping), which will occur after Event A (homework), can be simultaneous, so I find your teacher’s comment puzzling.
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
24.2k73667
answered Apr 25 '18 at 19:29
KarlGKarlG
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You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
add a comment |
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
You need to attribute as well as link to references.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:45
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
@EdwinAshworth: I might consider it if this software allowed visible footnotes, but I really don't want to lace my answers with chaff like "As this charming website opines…”
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 19:58
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I suggest you check for site requirements at the Help Center. Unless of course you're prepared to pay fines for breech of copyright yourself.
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 19:59
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
I have cited nothing verbatim from these websites. When I use real language examples, I cite author, work, and year where relevant. Pulling a quote from say, some random web forum to illustrate usage is certainly fair use.
– KarlG
Apr 25 '18 at 20:06
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
In that case, the block-quote is misleading (the top one, at least).
– Edwin Ashworth
Apr 25 '18 at 20:54
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I disagree with your teacher, but I'm not sure I can articulate why. Both sentences seem perfectly OK to me, and have essentially identical meaning.
– Jeff Zeitlin
Apr 25 '18 at 17:39
I also believe that they mean essentially the same thing because I have seldom encountered sentences like the second one.
– user69503
Apr 25 '18 at 17:51
I agree that your teacher is wrong. The second sentence is one I would expect to hear from a certain kind of documentary narration. "Observe the monkey. First it will clean itself. After it has cleaned itself, it will forage for food." It's a bit stilted and formal—but makes more sense in a specific context. It definitely does not imply both things happening at the same time.
– Jason Bassford
Apr 26 '18 at 6:37